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Wednesday, 18 June 2025

My interview with Elon Musk

In 1999, I was between jobs. For nearly five years I had worked at Microsoft in Redmond (which is a suburb of Seattle). It rains eight months a year in Seattle, so it is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, with several lakes, always filled with water, breathtakingly green with trees everywhere, with dazzling colours in autumn, and mild winters for a city that far north – only in 1996 was there heavy snow. There are two snowcapped mountain ranges to the East and West of Seattle, called the Cascades and the Olympics respectively, and a magnificent volcano called Mt Rainier about 70miles south, which was an awesome sight on clear days. It never rained heavily in Seattle, only mild drizzles.

Microsoft was mostly a wonderful place to work, and I was astounded that I even got a job there in 1994, barely four years after reading about in the small library at my college in Srivilliputtur. The campus was beautiful, the software work was interesting and quite different than what I imagined, but by 1999, I was probably saturated, though not quite burnt out. But I was perhaps very depressed in 1999, not realizing it then, perhaps because of the weather. Ten to twelve hours of looking at a computer screen, is probably terrible for the human psyche, even with

But it was an exciting time in software, and the computer industry, because the Internet had exploded with Netscape’s browser and a few websites in 1995. The internet really started taking off in 1997. Coincidentally that was the year cellphones also became affordable. Most of the action was in Silicon Valley, in San Jose and Sunnyvale and Mountain View and Palo Alto and the various suburbs south of San Francisco. By 1999, I was reading news and essays from several websites, some of newspapers others of e-magazines. Two prominent websites were Slate and Salon. Slate was run by Microsoft, most of its staff was in Buiding E, in Redmond West campus, where I was working in the MSN group.

In August, Microsoft fired me (the official reason was that I was not good at writing software) and  after having no luck looking for jobs in Seattle, I decided to look for a job in the San Francisco Bay Area. I was also trying to write screenplays because I had become interested in screenwriting, both for movies and for TV. I even attended a screenwriters conference in LA in 1998. I sent out spec scripts to agents, which produced no responses. I was staying at a friend’s house in San Jose, when I read an essay/interview in Salon.com about a guy called Elon Musk, who had just sold his software company to Compaq, a major PC manufacturing company. He had bought a McLaren street model car (similar to a Formula 1 car, but a version which you can drive on city roads and highways). I was an F-1 fan then, so this fascinated me. Musk  was my age and he had already sold his company for 300 million dollars. The interview mentioned he was starting a new company, called X.com and it had his email address. As a lark, I sent him an email with my resume and asked for a job (I am almost never this enterprising).

Yes. Elon Musk in 1999 was planning to start a company called X.com, 25 years before he bought Twitter and renamed it X (now in 2024). This was before he even started Tesla or SpaceX.

Surprisingly, I got a response to my email inviting me to a coffee shop in Palo Alto a day later. So I went and met him. He was friendly and genial, and spoke in that same series of staccato sentences, that you see now on TV or youtube. He talked about his company, but I had no idea what his business plan was. He explained, I just didn’t understand. I had just recently read a book called “The Lexus and the Olive Tree” by Thomas Friedman, a New York Times journalist, and I had realized I knew almost nothing about the business world or finance or economics. After five years working for perhaps the world’s most famous business at that time, I felt ridiculously ignorant about money.

It was also perhaps the worst time in the history of the human race to learn about money or economics or business, because at that time, every company was trying to do everything for FREE. I had no idea where any company’s revenue would come from. The two internet company crashes in 2000 and 2001/2002 suggest that most of the venture capitalists who invested in these companies, and even those who managed or worked in these companies, had no idea where they money would come from, either. They just ran out of capital, before raking in revenue.

Musk got his coffee, I got hot chocolate, and then basically he described the job he was hiring for. It was basically managing a software team, most of the work would be testing software that the company developed. Some of it would be developing in-house tools and some probably acquiring software from other companies. Software companies spend 90% of their software effort in testing software and only 10% in actual development. Even software developers spend more than half their time fixing bugs in software that they or others wrote. Now, I had five years of software development and testing experience, but only two years was in the internet division, and they had lower standards than boxed software like Microsoft Windows or Office or SQL Server – software products that were common before the internet. And I had no experience at all buying software or even evaluating it. And I had very little experience hiring people – I had only interviewed a few candidates for hiring at Microsoft. Even as he was speaking, I realized Musk was looking for someone two levels above me. This was not suprising. Company founders look to hire top level people, not low level developers, except a very few brilliant people. So, I leaned backwards, understanding that I was underqualified for the job.

Nothing special so far. But the next few minutes have haunted me. Not immediately, but about five years later. Because while I thought the interview ended, and the disappointment in my face obvious, but hopefully not too melancholy, Musk kept talking. He didn’t finish his coffee, he was just sipping it, I had barely sipped my drink either. And he talked about several aspects of what he was visualising. Some of it was abstract and way over my head, some of it was concrete and I could grasp some of it (I don’t remember any of it). But I didn’t get an overall picture. I vaguely think it was some sort of money related software, but much more than that. But I had no real understanding of what it was. I had interviewed with several other dotcoms at this time: Calpurnia, Yodlee, Decide, PartsRiver, are some of the names I remember; for a few months I worked for decide.com, before quitting software and returning to India.

Musk just kept talking, sometimes smiling, sometimes serious. I had dismissed myself as a candidate but he hadn’t. I suspect he liked something about me, and was just hoping I would say something like, “Look just hire me now and we will figure out what I can do later.” He was looking for someone who was willing to take a career risk (after all I had emailed him, which was taking a chance). But I am not that kind of risk taker, I suppose. I also think he had some great idea for software and he just wanted to explain to a fellow geek and share the excitement, without revealing much. If I figured out what he described, he would have offered me a job.

Remember, he was not famous then. I didn’t know what Musk was hinting at.  He would go on to build PayPal, but I don’t think that’s what he described to me. PayPal is easy enough to understand. It seems that he joined PayPal and took over. According to Wikipedia, Musk had founded a banking company called X.com, which he merged with Paypal, and ran it for sometime, before Peter Thiel took over. Paypal became extremely succesful, becoming the first paymetnt alternative to credit cards and electronic transfer from brick and mortar banks. Musk started SpaceX from the money he cashed in from Paypal, and revolutionized rocket launches. And later he joined and then took over Tesla, and revolutionized the car industry.

I have no regrets that Musk didn’t hire me – I don’t know if I would have been successful. I also realized I was bored of the software industry after I returned to India, and didn’t miss writing software. I was perhaps burnt out.

1999 in my Seattle apartment

My only other encounter with a global celebrity was perhaps a sideline chat with Bill Gates at a Microsoft developer in conference in Bellevue. This was a internal company conference, for software developers, in 1996 I think. Some demos, some discussion of general strategy, but mostly a full day of talks by executives and software experts. During lunch and tea breaks, several of the star developers and execs were surrounded, mostly by fresh hires or those who really wanted to be heard. Gates was surrounded by three rings of developers, and he was hotly debating a few of them who thought Microsoft should switch to Java or something different in the Internet space. Microsoft was the most admired company by investors and most engineers outside the USA and somewhat feared but totally hated by competitors in the USA. I snatched the chance at a pause to ask him a technical question, and he dismissed it as not significant.

All my other interviews in the software industry were far less dramatic. I don’t think anyone else has become a global celebrity. Anyway, I thought this encounter might interest some readers of my blog, though not much happened.

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Thursday, 6 March 2014

Browser background apartheid

Most printed material is black ink on white paper. When you print out email, a web page or a Word doc or a spreadsheet or a Powerpoint thing, that's what you mostly get - because most paper is white, they print in black ink. And that's how it's set up in the software apps I mentioned above.

But I personally hate seeing black lettering on white backgrounds on a computer screen, either LCD or CRT.  I much prefer white lettering on either blue, black or other dark background(bg). It's a lot less stressful on the eyes. I would think that eyestrain from computers is much worse and far more widespread than its other curses like carpel tunnel syndrome, internet addiction, productivity killer (video games etc.), social isolation, computer widowing etc.

In the TAMU college days when using more Unix than Windows, I used yellow text on black bg - really cool. Actually I used several text-bg combos in Unix, one for email , one for reading, one for software etc.

So I set my own backgrounds in Word - Format, Background, Fill Effects from the menu. Much nicer that way. Occasionally I used white text, blue bg - Tools, Opitons on the menu, "blue bg, white text" check box. It's much trickier on Excel - Tools Options, Color tab etc. which I just learnt. But I dont use Excel much.

What's really nast though is the web, which has probably tripled wordwide usage of computers. Browsers and worse, web pages like NYT.com, yahoo.com are set to black on white. You can use Tools, Options, on menu and choose from the Colors button in Internet Explorer, but almost all web pages (Wa Post.com is an exception) have this line of HTML code in them
bgcolor = "#ffffff"

or alternatively
background-color=white

which forces black on white in the web page even if you choose your own color combo from the menu. Since I download a lot of articles from the web and read them at leisure, and since I know a little HTML, I just go edit this nasty malevolent background-Nazi color-code-conspiracy out of the web pages and view them white on black. But it's a lonely satya graha, in  a world ignorant about the tyranny of textual apartheid.

I dream of a world where I can judge an article by the character of its content rather than the color of its webpage.

Maybe somebody has to sue Microsoft - (and Google and Firefox) before this problem will get fixed.

PPS: At work at Microsoft I never thought about this or remembered my colorful Unix days, except for Word. The C programming editor comes with white bg, but color coded text based on content (software in blue, comments in green, typos in red, data in black) which was very useful. And email was color coded text too, as you all are probably accustomed to.

I wrote this essay as an email for some friends in April 2005. I changed the template of my blog earlier today. I thought this might be apt. Sorry, Lynn Margulis...